Joey Jordison Digs Into Scar The Martyr, Looks Back on "Vol. 3: The Subliminal Verses", Talks Slipknot's Future
Wed, 11 Sep 2013 16:28:38
Now, Joey Jordison is no stranger to epic albums. Look at his catalog from the onslaught of brutality on Slipknot's Iowa to the masterful head trip of Vol. 3: The Subliminal Verses. However, he ventures beyond the realms of convention once again on Scar The Martyr's sprawling debut. It's a heavy epic, in the truest sense of the word, and it extends into its own stratosphere. That's why it's so powerful and important to the genre. Jordison remains one of heavy music's true genius, and the record evinces that tenfold. You need it October 1…
In this exclusive interview with ARTISTdirect.com editor in chief Rick Florino, Joey Jordison delves deep into Scar The Martyr, looks back on the now classic Vol.3: The Subliminal Verses, and talks Slipknot's future.
The album becomes an epic journey from start-to-finish. You've got to listen to it from beginning to end because there's so much going on, and it's all connected in a fluid way.
You know, it's really cool that you noticed that. When I was writing all of that shit, I'd complete a track and be like, "Alright, what am I feeling? What would be cool after this track? What emotion am I going into right now? What am I hearing in my heard right now? Where should I go?" It wasn't like I was writing a song and saying, "Oh, we'll just try to fit it in somewhere". It was like I'd right one song and think, "What am I feeling next?" Sometimes, it would take a while, and I'd have to listen to a song over and over. However, every song was an emotional result of a previous song. I completed this song and now where am I going? It's cool that you picked up on it because that's exactly what it is.
You never know what's going to happen.
The song is like the musical equivalent of a haunted house [Laughs]. As soon as you think you've got the song figured out, something else will jump out at you.
The meticulous approach really comes to a head on "Last Night On Earth".
That's cool you said that. I think, out of my whole career, that's probably one of my most prized possessions as far as a song composition goes. The sheer heaviness has almost a calming effect in a way. It's got a soothing feeling. Also, the contrast is great. Once we go to the verse, Henry is super mellow. Then, when his voice soars on the pre-chorus, we back way off. He goes heavier and goes all out, while we back off and get all melancholy. There are these contrasts all the way through the song. When we pick it up, we go full tilt before that major heavy section in the middle that repeats forever with the most intense guitar solo. It's a song of extreme valleys. It's like, "How could I make this part sound more intense? Okay, I lessen the vocal. I don't make it heavy. How do I make this fucking melancholy part sound more massive? The vocals get heavier or I start opening up on the ride cymbal". On that song, I do things that shouldn't work together, but we make them work. It's through trial and error. That's why that song could not fit anywhere else but at the end of the album. After you're done listening to that track, you're done. You're literally done, and you don't want to listen to anything else.
Absolutely! The album builds to that!
It does, and that's a good point too. The whole album is building up to that point.
You put a lot into this.
I busted my ass. I would wait until my emotion would strike me to the point where I was like, "Now I know what I've got" instead of trying to rush a song.
Would you say this record is the most "you"?
It is. It absolutely one-hundred percent is. I completely stand by that. If people want to hear something that's pretty much all me, this is it.
You can see this album as much as you can hear it.
Thank you, that's a great analogy too!
If you were to compare the album to a movie or a combination of movies, what would you compare it to?
Dude, that's very hard! I know that it would probably end with like the movie Blue Velvet. It goes through a bunch of different emotions. A song like "Anatomy Of Erinyes" is almost totally like a fucking witch movie in and of itself—just that song. I'd have to sit down and think about it. It's got a bunch of crazy elements to it. It's definitely got a Giger factor to it with Alien. From the industrial standpoint, it's got a gothier element. Do what you will with that in some areas. I think, with the overall picture of it, this is a very cinematic record. It does open a certain way, and it does have a finale. It does have a cast of characters, which all the songs are. They're all unique. That's the best way I can describe it.
Your stint in Korn always stood out. You've got to hear the new Korn record. You're going to love it.
I've only heard the one song they put out—"Never Never". I can't wait to fucking hear the whole thing though. Those guys are amazing, and I love everything their stuff and I loved playing with them.
What's your favorite memory of Paul Gray from Vol. 3: The Subliminal Verses? He's all over that record…
Oh yeah, he is. Man, what is not a good memory of Paul? You know? They're all great. His room was directly underneath mine. I remember one night we were sitting up late and listening to rough tracks of the record. I remember Paul looking around the room and saying, "This is the best work we've ever done!" I was like, "You know what? It is!" He was like, "This is the best we've done to date, man". I said, "Absolutely." We were sitting in his room playing guitar until late at night. It was one of those nights where we just connected about music and were reflecting on all the songs. If you see those pictures that Shawn took on the inside of the record sleeve, one of those was the doorway to Paul's room. That's where we hung a lot and connected on music and tracks we were doing at the time. It was a special time when we made that record in the Houdini Mansion.
Where are you in terms of writing for Slipknot?
Whenever I pick up a guitar and I'm not doing anything, I'm always writing riffs. That's all we're doing. We've all got a shit load of riffs. We're always writing. Even though we haven't gotten together, there's plenty of material there. We talk to each other all the time on our cell phones and all of that when we're on tour in different spots of the world. We're all working. It hasn't found its time yet. We're continuing to write though. We're always writing. We're going to have so much shit it might have to be a double record [Laughs].
Check out Scar the Martyr tour dates below!
Sep 27 The Riot Room Kansas City, MO
Sep 28 Juanita's Little Rock, AR
Sep 30 The Vanguard Tulsa, OK
Oct 02 White Rabbit San Antonio, TX
Oct 03 Scout Bar Houston, TX
Oct 04 Trees Dallas, TX
Oct 05 Riverside Warehouse Shreveport, LA
Oct 06 Pop's Sauget, IL
Oct 08 Wooly's Des Moines, IA
Nov 01 House Of Blues Los Angeles, CA
Nov 02 Ramona Mainstage Ramona, CA
Nov 03 Regency Ballroom San Francisco, CA
Nov 04 Neumos Seattle, WA
Nov 07 Skyway Theatre Minneapolis, MN
For more info on tickets, visit scarthemartyr.com/tour-dates.
What's your favorite Slipknot or Scar The Martyr song?